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Vented Brakes Upgrade

The "big brakes" upgrade is probably the most-frequently asked question when it comes to upgrading an '02 for high-performance driving. In fact "big brakes" is really a misnomer because what we are really after here isn't necessarily a larger diameter brake rotor (although these upgrades below do give you a marginally larger rotor), but in fact rotors that are vented for better cooling.

Braking systems are basically heatsinks that suck kinetic energy out of a bunch of flying metal, plastic and glass, and convert it into heat: depositing it in the brake rotor itself. Then the rotor is supposed to shed it into the rushing, cool night air... Vented brakes simply allow this process to take place with more efficiency, in addition to having a higher basic mass which will by itself soak up more heat without failing.

Which option you choose to get your vented brakes will depend mostly on where you are starting. For tii owners, the best option is to use the brakes from the e12 early 5-series sedan or e24 6-series coupe. They will fit on the stock tii spindles and require no other modification of the car.

For non-tii '02s, really there are two major options. One is to go with all-BMW parts and buy a set of tii front struts. Then use the parts from an e12 sedan or e24 coupe as stated above. The other option is to just use the Girling Vented calipers from a mid-80s Volvo 240, and the rest of the parts from the e21 320i. This will save you some money if you are starting with a "regular" '02, and provide braking on par with the pure-BMW solution above.

Please note that Rob Torres, Jr. of 2002 Haus recommends the use of tii struts with their the larger spindles if you are running large-diameter (15"+) wheels, or else you will chew up wheel bearings at a rapid rate! Thanks to Rob for the tip!

Other options involve using racing brakes from people like Wildwood and the like. If you are considering operating at this level, the best advice is to find a vendor who will work with you to get the product installed on your car. Some vendors also sell other higher-end braking solutions such as lightweight aluminum calipers, and these kits will come with everything you need to adapt them to your car.

Because we are only worried about the DIY-type stuff at this point, here are the details for low-buck, big-bang brake upgrades:

Parts Required for tii upgrade:

  • New 1977 e21 Vented rotors
  • Used e21 hubs up through 1979 (junkyard)
  • New or Used e12/e24 up through 1981 calipers (I'd just buy already-rebuilt ones but you could get good used ones or rebuildable ones from a junkyard for less $$)
  • New brake hoses (unless yours are less than five years old, you might as well refresh/upgrade while its apart. Braided stainless ones will give you the best performance.)
  • New wheel bearings
  • Wheel bearing grease
  • New performance brake pads
  • Two pints of new brake fluid (might want to get a pressure bleeder too)
  • If you are upgrading to the "pure-BMW" solution from a standard '02, then you will obviously also need a set of tii struts in addition to the above.

Parts Required for non-tii upgrade:

  • New 1977(only) e21 Vented rotors
  • Used 1981-83 e21 Hubs (just get these from a junkyard: dont buy new like I did... ;p)
  • New or Used Girling Vented Calipers for a mid-80s Volvo 240 with VENTED brakes. (There are rumors of ATE Vented calipers also being available but the Girlings are far more available and that is probably for a good reason.)
  • New brake hoses (unless yours are less than five years old, you might as well refresh/upgrade while its apart. Braided stainless ones will give you the best performance.)
  • New wheel bearings
  • Wheel bearing grease
  • New performance brake pads
  • Two pints of new brake fluid (might want to get a pressure bleeder too)
  • Four 1" standard galvanized or stainless steel (why not, right?) washers

Be aware that certain 13" wheels will NOT fit over these upgraded calipers. In some circumstances, you can do a little grinding on the outside of the caliper to get them to fit, but you will need to start with a wheel with a good deal of offset amd should be as wide open inside as possible.

Project:

SAFELY raise the car and put it on jackstands. All the standard disclaimers apply. I don't want to get the FAQ sued because some e46 clownie wandered in here and decided to try this. (;p)

Basically, make sure the wheels are chocked behind them, its in gear, the e-brake is on (and working!), and your teeth are gritted. Put a floor jack under the middle of the front subframe with a block of wood between jack and subframe to protect and spread load. Raise the car and then put jackstands under the frame rails that are welded to the front floors. Again use some wood to buffer the stands and spread the load some.

Remove the road wheels, then remove the old brake lines and calipers. Theres not much to this, just some angry grunting with the aforementioned gritted teeth and possibly some flagrant cussing. Its also messy work, and you will need to drain the brake fluid, so get a pan or bucket too. Once you have the caliper removed, and the old brake lines (this part can be a nightmare in itself! Get out the vice grips and rhyming dictionary!), remove the cotter pin and big wheel nut, and then the old rotors and hubs (as a unit). Again, this is just dirty, messy but straightforward work.

Next is to clean the spindles, and inspect them for wear. IF you have a non-tii car and find that your spindles are shot/worn/etc., THIS might be a good time to think about upgrading to a tii strut-based setup (you didnt already order all the Volvo parts, did you!? - just something to think about before indeed placing that order.) If you have used hubs, you have to remove the old seals and bearings and clean them up. I bought new hubs like an idiot, which I immediately got filthy just by handling them. But, CLEAN them up so that you can put in the new clean bearings and grease.

Pack the new bearings with grease. If you've never done this before, the `word "pack" pretty much covers it. Do not OVERpack them because this will interfere with torquing down the main wheel nut. You will want to retighten the main wheel nut in 100 miles anyway, and you can put a wrench on the main wheel nut to give it a good squish, then back off and tighten the nut as described a little more below.

Install the new bearings into the hub and install the new seal with a flat piece of wood. As I recall, the seals go in flush with the edge of the hub, but I'm not totally sure about that. Then install the hub onto the spindle. Put the outer bearing, washer, and nut on, then spin the hub and finger tighten the big wheel nut until the hub stops. Then back it off a smidge and then put in the cotter pin. Make sure there is veryvery little to no play in the assembly when you rack it up and down, and that it also spins freely when you spin it with your hand.

Put the new rotor on, and then slide the new (rebuilt, etc.) caliper over it with the new brake pads installed. Make sure that the bleeder nipples are facing up, otherwise the system will be impossible to bleed correctly. Next install your new hoses. Some of you Volvo upgraders might want to think about using a tii or for tii people, an e28 master cylinder at this point too. The theory is that a larger set of calipers will require more volume of fluid to move the pistons a given distance. If you have a larger master, this will supply that additional flow. In my case, I used a 528 master cylinder. Im not exactly sure what the deal is with the rear proportioning systems in these various MCs, but since I am going to use rear discs eventually, I havent let it keep me up nights yet. Most people, however, simply choose to use the rear brakes from a 320i.

Once you have the rear brakes sorted, then bleed the brakes. Start from the passenger rear, drivers rear, then pass front, then drivers front. Make sure you flush all the old fluid out of the system. Some like to use a different-colored fluid each time they change it so they can tell when the old stuff is gone and the new stuff has taken its place. IF you do this, just make sure the two fluids are compatible chemically or else you can have a bunch of new problems on your hands.

Once you've got it all back together, it usually takes about 500 miles for the brakes to fully "seat," so don't go out and "test" them right away (oh, officer! see, i just got this new carburetor and i was just trying to test it..... ;p). Other than that, enjoy the new stopping power!

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Wallonesch has front Turbo brake upgrade for tii for sale. I used this last year and the quality and delivery was spot on. Considering the amount of work to locate these parts piece by piece this is an easy solution and the shipping was reasonable.

 

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My Volvo vented brake upgrade cost £300 for all new discs, bearings, calipers, wheel bolts, pad fittings kit and EBC green stuff pads but not including the e21 hubs. €1300 for the walloth kit plus shipping and tax is ludicrous.

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On 3/17/2015 at 11:28 PM, administrator said:

For non-tii '02s, really there are two major options.

Hey, I would like to understand the following as of now this is what I understood so far:

  • If you go with the more affordable and especially easier-to-get solution with "Volvo"-calipers you will definitely have a not so nice fitting, but working brake (pads), which many accept, but to make it more well engineered and how brakes are supposed to work, you need to do modifications to the hardware. Is that correct?
  • Are there other solutions than the mentioned ones? More specifically I am looking for a one that is completely bolt-on, but not racing kit stuff ($$$$). But I understood that the e21 + Volvo 240 solution seems to be the only options then?!
  • Side topic, but where this originates for me: How easy or often do the standard (non-vented) discs warp? Seems to be the case on mine ... https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/topic/72271-when-to-replace-the-rotors/?do=findComment&comment=1674696
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2 hours ago, 02sahara said:

Hey, I would like to understand the following as of now this is what I understood so far:

  • If you go with the more affordable and especially easier-to-get solution with "Volvo"-calipers you will definitely have a not so nice fitting, but working brake (pads), which many accept, but to make it more well engineered and how brakes are supposed to work, you need to do modifications to the hardware. Is that correct?
  • Are there other solutions than the mentioned ones? More specifically I am looking for a one that is completely bolt-on, but not racing kit stuff ($$$$). But I understood that the e21 + Volvo 240 solution seems to be the only options then?!
  • Side topic, but where this originates for me: How easy or often do the standard (non-vented) discs warp? Seems to be the case on mine ... https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/topic/72271-when-to-replace-the-rotors/?do=findComment&comment=1674696

Large (ti/tii/turbo) or small struts?
For large struts there's an easy fix available in germany (btw du bist nicht André, oder? wegen 02 sahara)
Just get the alpina repop discs and a set of 7mm widened ti Calipers available @ André Meisel

Plug'n play - TÜV? no problem!
If you have small struts get large ones and see above.
Anything else is not plug'n play and TÜV doesn't like it necessarily.
If you want even more brake you can go my route but expect it to be Factor 3-4 in costs.
I currently run 272x22 vented discs with porsche 911s calipers front and 258x10 discs with 914 calipers rear - this requires 14" wheels


 

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On 5/30/2024 at 8:36 AM, Henryn02 said:

Wallonesch has front Turbo brake upgrade for tii for sale….

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€1300 ain’t that bad considering just the hubs themselves are €650/pr…


 

For shits’n’gigs I pulled out the old receipts for my cars Turbo brakes conversion, and it cost $1600 in 1998

 

But that’s both Front and Rear, plus a few important additional bits... ;)

 

Front $1041.60

Calipers, hubs, rotors, pads, dust shields, bearings, pins/springs, bolts/washers, etc.

But that price also included:

Tii struts w/Billy shocks, Tii booster & Tii master

 

Rear $288.82

Drums, wheel cylinders, shoes, backing plates, bias valve, adjustment parts

+  $212.00 for

Turbo stub axles, hubs, bearings, nuts/washers/etc

 

The Turbo brake discs were $174/pr and that’s still what they cost now (!)

 

The front hubs were $130/pr, but those are now $325/ea (!) — which I guess is a bargain since regular 02 hubs are $360/ea.  lol

 

So yeah, it’s obviously more expensive now, though some things haven’t changed as much as others. But you get  a sweet factory performance set-up..

 

Tom

 

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the problem with the turbo brakes in front is the increase in trackwidth.
So it's not plug'n' play but plug, get other wheels or add flares and play

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6 hours ago, uai said:

the problem with the turbo brakes in front is the increase in trackwidth.
So it's not plug'n' play but plug, get other wheels or add flares and play

 

Late tii Front Track = 1342mm

Turbo Front Track = 1375mm

 

33mm greater Turbo Front Track

 

a) Turbo has 22mm wider Front Track due to the lower offset Turbo Wheels (biggest part of increased Track).

b) Turbo has 11mm wider Front Track due to the 5.5mm wider Turbo Front Wheel hubs


I didn’t find the additional 5.5mm upfront that big of a change…

 

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Yes, there is a bolt- on solution for tii struts:

 

Early 5- series calipers

early E21 hubs

vented E21 rotors

 

done.

 

No hard to find parts, no turbs, no spacers, nothing.  fits and looks like it was always there.  Brake lines hook right up.

 

For the standard strut, no, there is not a simple list like the above.  

 

t

 

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On 8/5/2024 at 8:59 PM, Son of Marty said:

If you do a big brake upgrade will the TUV sign off on it, I don't know but I've heard that this can be a real big deal.

I'm pretty sure the TÜV won't sign it off, that's why I'm looking for a solution without modifications – I barely believe that they would even sign off the Ireland Engineering kit, simply because of modifications made to parts.

 

@uai non-tii, so small struts. No, I'm Marvin :)

 

4 hours ago, TobyB said:

For the standard strut, no, there is not a simple list like the above.

Thank you – that's what I wanted to know!

 

 

I probably need to rebuild my standard calipers ... are the expensive tii struts and all the addtitional parts/costs worth it, or better rebuild (or buy a rebuilt) standard caliper and drive without vented discs? Is it more a nice-to-have and I-have-some-money-left-over upgrade?

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21 minutes ago, 02sahara said:

I probably need to rebuild my standard calipers ... are the expensive tii struts and all the addtitional parts/costs worth it, or better rebuild (or buy a rebuilt) standard caliper and drive without vented discs? Is it more a nice-to-have and I-have-some-money-left-over upgrade?

Depends on usage and horsepower.
If you're doing trackdays or you're regularly driving through the alps or similar a vented brake is more or less a must.
However it only helps with cooling the pure stopping power doesn't  (apart from temperature related issues) change in between.
A set of good pads (e.g. Pagid RSH29) with good fluid (Motul RBS 660 or similar from Castrol or Ravenol) will help to tackle the temperature issue - but they are pricey as well but last probably 3 times longer than standard pads.

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Comparing the Volvo option and the Turbo option, to what extent does each limit your choices among 13” rims? I thought the Volvo option interfered with some 13” rims. True? What about the Turbo option?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

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On 8/6/2024 at 3:34 PM, 02sahara said:

 

... are the expensive tii struts and all the addtitional parts/costs worth it, or better rebuild (or buy a rebuilt) standard caliper and drive without vented discs? Is it more a nice-to-have and I-have-some-money-left-over upgrade?…

 


Here’s my experience, Marvin,

 

As have others here with non-tii’s, I found my ‘76’s brakes particularly weak, from brand new, both in stopping power and, when driven really hard, in brake fade. Earlier ‘02’s I owned, particularly a box-stock ‘67 1600-2, stopped much better! All my ‘02’s faded when really pushed. Dealers declared the ‘76’s brakes operating to factory specs. No one ever found anything amiss. I tried many different pads over the years, some better than others. But I found no significant change or improvement.

 

Finally, in 2018, I swapped struts, hubs, calipers, and disks to tii units — not ventilated, simply tii. The booster, master, and rear brakes remain stock. But the improvement in stopping power feels significant. After 48 years of owning the ‘76, I finally feel good about its brakes. The tii disks don’t address the fading issue, but I, personally, don’t track my ‘76 or drive it as hard in 2024 as I did in 1976. Knowing what I know now, I’d absolutely do the same tii upgrade again.

 

Vented disks would help with the fade, but… (a.)  I’ve experienced fade one time since 2018 (and… I backed off, something I wouldn’t do in 1976! 🙄), and (b.) I have lots of great rims — all 13” — and I don’t want to limit my choices.

 

In summary, the larger tii disks got me 90% of what I really wanted and needed at this point in the ‘76’s and my life! If it were 1976, I’d probably say the larger tii disks got me only 50% of what I wanted and needed, because of the fade issue. So, how do you feel about your car’s current stopping power and how often do you feel your brakes fade to nothingness?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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