other 1974 Tii on ebay with BIN of $ 35,000 Orange California

[COOP]

It's amusing reading all of the criticisms and pontifications about this car's value & condition, most of which I agree with. 

 

But guess what?

 

Strange as it is to consider given that we are the ones who love these little boxes, WE FAQ'ers ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS CAR!!

 

First of all, we are generally an eccentric collection of bottom-feeders, people always on the hunt for a rare treasure at a bargain price.  That is our undeniable nature and we are proud of it because the hunt is a big part of the passion.  We call ourselves "resourceful."  Outside of our community, we are referred to by less glowing names such as "mooches."

 

Second, we know too much to throw caution to the wind in the form of vulgar excess.  We're not going to pay top dollar for something that is not top notch.  In fact, we won't even pay top dollar for something that IS top notch.

 

No, the people who pay "all the money" for these cars are not present here.  They are, for the most part, members of a totally different demographic & psychographic group, and possessing of a completely foreign value system.

 

We are not they and they are not we...but we will sell them our cars if we need to or want to...and then we will thank them for being they and not we.

 

Parting prediction:  The best roundie tii cars will be worth six (6) figures in ten (10) years...to them.

 

COOP

[conkitchen]

It's amusing reading all of the criticisms and pontifications about this car's value & condition, most of which I agree with. 

 

But guess what?

 

Strange as it is to consider given that we are the ones who love these little boxes, WE FAQ'ers ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS CAR!!

 

First of all, we are generally an eccentric collection of bottom-feeders, people always on the hunt for a rare treasure at a bargain price.  That is our undeniable nature and we are proud of it because the hunt is a big part of the passion.  We call ourselves "resourceful."  Outside of our community, we are referred to by less glowing names such as "mooches."

 

Second, we know too much to throw caution to the wind in the form of vulgar excess.  We're not going to pay top dollar for something that is not top notch.  In fact, we won't even pay top dollar for something that IS top notch.

 

No, the people who pay "all the money" for these cars are not present here.  They are, for the most part, members of a totally different demographic & psychographic group, and possessing of a completely foreign value system.

 

We are not they and they are not we...but we will sell them our cars if we need to or want to...and then we will thank them for being they and not we.

 

Parting prediction:  The best roundie tii cars will be worth six (6) figures in ten (10) years...to them.

 

COOP

 

That prediction might be a good rational for painting one's subframes olive green.

[COOP]

That prediction might be a good rational for painting one's subframes olive green.

 

 

LOL, touche!  FYI, "rationale" and not "rational."  As in "his rationale for painting his subframes olive green didn't seem rational to some people."

[conkitchen]

I'm a little touchy about my use of the letter "e" it's a little irrationale.

 

What's your vector Victor? Roger, over. Over under, under done, surely Shirley.  

[peterschop]

"Surely you can't be serious?" 
"I am serious...And don't call me Shirley."

[PaulTWinterton]

"Bottom feeders?" I would only expect that statement from a Ferrari owner. :-0

Myself, I pay whatever the price is to get the best parts for my tii. But don't tell my wife that.

There is more than one demographic on this site. Our common thread is...We really like our 02s and making them better.

We are the wrong people to ask opinions of 'cause collectively we've likely fixed, replaced, striped, sanded, painted, tightened, loosened, straightened, etc, etc,...every part of the car. It's what we do.

I for one, look forward to seeing the super clean cars for sale. Keep 'em coming!

[gary]

What I'm really looking for is a roundie, white, blue int

Sunroof in approximately the same condition as the

Bikal blue and it doesn't need to be Tii

[saaron]

COOP's post totally made me laugh.  I, for one, am not the market for those cars - agree 100%.  

 

I'm only guessing what those people want - roundies (the "classic look"), cool colors, sunroofs, perfect condition, probably prefer originality vs. mods.  

 

I would think they want a car that is totally done and can be showed off immediately.  They don't want a car that comes with a "to do" list, I wouldn't think.  They have the money to get what they want.  They are the people that I see on TV at the auctions; the people I saw when I went to Amelia Island last year. 

 

Speaking of that, I sat down for lunch at Amelia and talked with three lovely couples.  People that split their time between living in Europe and Florida.  Some were classic car dealers from the Eastern Seaboard.  People that owned a lot of cars, and none of them were less than six figures.  I did get props for having a roundie tii.  They all simultaneously asked the same thing:  "still have the injection???"  They know what's up.  

 

Scott

[sportscardigest]

Hi Guys -

 

We’re the seller of the Baikal Blue Tii currently listed on eBay.

 

We’ll start with saying how much I respect the passion and knowledge on the forum. We spend a lot of time in the Early 911 forum, as that’s our bread-and-butter, so it’s fun seeing how similar keepers of the originality flame are active here as well. We know early 911s well, but can’t say the same for 2002s, especially to the level demonstrated here. 

 

Our purposes for purchasing the 2002 were not to enter Concours (even though we did…longer story), but to have a quality example that allowed us to ‘scratch the itch’ in experiencing a Tii. In other words, we were concerned with its structural and mechanical condition, not with its overall correctness. 

 

It’s hard to publicly say some of these things, given how we operate with buying other cars (like early 911s), but during our due diligence process we didn’t even ask if Baikal Blue was correct for the car. We loved how it looks, better still our better half love the color combo, so that was good enough for us. This wasn’t a reckless purchase, however, as we did significant due diligence, but more focused towards our intended purpose for the car. 

 

Since purchasing the car in 2013, we have really enjoying having the 2002 around the garage. Unlike some of our British cars, the Tii has started every time without fail, it doesn’t smoke, it pulls really well, it handles great and it brakes straight and true. We fully understand why everyone loves these cars as they do. As mentioned in the ad, we have way too many projects right now, so we’re passing it along to someone else that will better utilize it. If it were in crap shape, then we’d keep it around, but we have a problem with nice cars like this sitting around so much. 

 

In regards to the correctness, we’ll first say that this is a 40+ year old car and it would be safe to say that there are many little things that are incorrect on any car of that age. We don’t know its specific history before 2008, but we’d wager that at least one of its previous owners viewed it as a tool. If something broke, they fixed it regardless if it was a correct piece or not. They only cared about whether or not their car got them from point A to B. Total conjecture, but that’s a good generalization for any car of this age or older. 

 

We have a massive pile of receipts from the restoration from reputable places like 2002AD, Maximilian Importing, Roger’s Tii and so forth. They look to be correct pieces to us, but then again we’re far from 2002 experts as stated above. We also have another pile of receipts on what went into the restoration, including one receipt that’s equal to our reserve on the car. These were some of the data points that were important in our decision to buy the car after it was restored. 

 

Regarding the price, as always the market will tell us what it’s worth. The level of interest is considerable, with 270+ watchers and easily a dozen folks that are seriously circling the wagon. The 2002 is currently bid to $30,600 and the reserve isn’t far off.

[mac]

COOP +1

Couldn't have said it better myself.

mac.

Edited January 23, 2015 by mac

[pkchopp]

So i've been following this post for a while. Those of you in So.Cal. know my 02. Lets just say that there isn't a day that goes by when it's on the street, that offers well exceding that 35K mark are commenly heard. 

[gary]

So i've been following this post for a while. Those of you in So.Cal. know my 02. Lets just say that there isn't a day that goes by when it's on the street, that offers well exceding that 35K mark are commenly heard.

Offers on the street are Not Offers, it's a way of complimenting the car and seldom lead to a sale

[PaulTWinterton]

We’ll start with saying how much I respect the passion and knowledge on the forum.

Thanks for not screaming at us for picking apart your car. As said, it's what we do.

I agree, the market will dictate the final selling price. Good selling.

[Conserv]

Hi Guys -

We’re the seller of the Baikal Blue Tii currently listed on eBay.

We’ll start with saying how much I respect the passion and knowledge on the forum. We spend a lot of time in the Early 911 forum, as that’s our bread-and-butter, so it’s fun seeing how similar keepers of the originality flame are active here as well. We know early 911s well, but can’t say the same for 2002s, especially to the level demonstrated here.

Our purposes for purchasing the 2002 were not to enter Concours (even though we did…longer story), but to have a quality example that allowed us to ‘scratch the itch’ in experiencing a Tii. In other words, we were concerned with its structural and mechanical condition, not with its overall correctness.

It’s hard to publicly say some of these things, given how we operate with buying other cars (like early 911s), but during our due diligence process we didn’t even ask if Baikal Blue was correct for the car. We loved how it looks, better still our better half love the color combo, so that was good enough for us. This wasn’t a reckless purchase, however, as we did significant due diligence, but more focused towards our intended purpose for the car.

Since purchasing the car in 2013, we have really enjoying having the 2002 around the garage. Unlike some of our British cars, the Tii has started every time without fail, it doesn’t smoke, it pulls really well, it handles great and it brakes straight and true. We fully understand why everyone loves these cars as they do. As mentioned in the ad, we have way too many projects right now, so we’re passing it along to someone else that will better utilize it. If it were in crap shape, then we’d keep it around, but we have a problem with nice cars like this sitting around so much.

In regards to the correctness, we’ll first say that this is a 40+ year old car and it would be safe to say that there are many little things that are incorrect on any car of that age. We don’t know its specific history before 2008, but we’d wager that at least one of its previous owners viewed it as a tool. If something broke, they fixed it regardless if it was a correct piece or not. They only cared about whether or not their car got them from point A to B. Total conjecture, but that’s a good generalization for any car of this age or older.

We have a massive pile of receipts from the restoration from reputable places like 2002AD, Maximilian Importing, Roger’s Tii and so forth. They look to be correct pieces to us, but then again we’re far from 2002 experts as stated above. We also have another pile of receipts on what went into the restoration, including one receipt that’s equal to our reserve on the car. These were some of the data points that were important in our decision to buy the car after it was restored.

Regarding the price, as always the market will tell us what it’s worth. The level of interest is considerable, with 270+ watchers and easily a dozen folks that are seriously circling the wagon. The 2002 is currently bid to $30,600 and the reserve isn’t far off.

Well said. And your tii has fared better on this forum -- with respect to criticisms -- than 97% of the cars discussed! Good luck with your sale. I'm hoping you get at least $35K and recoup some of your costs!

Good luck with your sale!

Best regards,

Steve

EDIT: $36.6K and the reserve is met! Now I'm hoping for $40K!

Edited January 22, 2015 by Conserv

[JohnS]

Mint,

 

not sure I understand, as "vacuum advance distributor" is what I have on my '74tii.

 

Cheers,

 

Carl

 

Actually, the 74tii uses a vacuum retard distributor.  If you disconnect the vacuum hose, you'll see that the timing will advance quite a bit.  I was told by Jeff Schlemmer at Advanced Distributors that the 74tii distributor is almost identical to the Bosch 008 distributor used on the earlier tiis with the added retard device.  He said that you can plug off the vacuum tube and then run it just like a 008.  I've kept mine stock on my 74tii (retarded) and it works great.  If it ain't broke don't fix it