Air cleaner decal, brake booster decal

[DanVT]

Here’s a pic of a tii center air filter canister with a W. Germany decal. Was this on certain year(s)?  I have another canister but no signs of a decal being there.

Is there a source for the brake booster decal?

Dan

[Conserv]

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say “The bumper sticker on your airbox was not installed at the factory!”  It’s old but it didn’t originate from BMW.

 

The brake booster sticker, on the other hand, is original. The tii and ti used a different booster than the Solex downdraft cars and, consequently, the correct sticker is for the ATE T51 booster with a part number ending in “0301.4”. The BMW 2002 Car Club of Columbia sells a duplicate of a correct sticker, both through their Website and, frequently, through eBay.

 

Here ‘tis:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-2002-TI-TII-ATE-brake-boster-servo-blue-sticker-decal/301809725846?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D5de70f33e7ff4540937279b23f96c58f%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D301809725846%26itm%3D301809725846&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%3Aaa4af960-09b9-11e8-a264-74dbd1809aec%7Cparentrq%3A6144fc681610abc12b0283cdfffdd4ae%7Ciid%3A1

 

There were at least two different versions of the “0301.4” sticker.  I have not, however, seen the version you show above duplicated — although I have seen similar originals.  If you are fanatical in your dedication to originality, and un-happy with the more common version of the “0301.4” sticker, you could have one custom printed (forum member noboco, a.k.a., Kamil of Car-Bone, is just one source for high-quality duplicates).

 

The first photo below is of an original copy of the other version of “0301.4” sticker, the only version I have thus far seen duplicated.  The second photo below is of the booster from which this sticker was removed.  Although the date stamp is incomplete, the booster was removed from the totaled VIN 2762204 (manufactured July 10, 1972) I parted in 1974.  I suspect the remnants of the date stencil we see represent a manufacturing date of June 16, 1972 (“16 6 ??”).

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Conserv

[Conserv]

And here’s a photo of a re-painted tii brake booster with a sticker similar to yours.  The re-painter took pains to leave the original sticker and date stamp exposed.  It was manufactured March 21, 1973 (“21 3-73”).  What are the VIN and manufacturing date of your tii?  I’m guessing yours might be a 1973 model...

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

Edited February 4, 2018 by Conserv

[DanVT]

The air cleaner with sticker and the brake booster are on 2762020 manufactured June 22, 1972.

I'm restoring 2763304 manufactured Jan 22, 1973. The previous owner of the car took off the injection system and put a Weber 32/36 on the motor and the carbed brake booster. I have a correct used booster with a bent vacuum port and the booster on 2762020. 

2762020, 2574015-May 18,1971 and 2593272 (haven’t requested info yet)( has AC unit in the console and Stahl header) were snagged out of a shed some years ago. The last two are parts cars. I’m using the 1972 tii as injection system reference for the 1973 but there are other differences between the cars. 2762020 is probably a parts car too; significant corrosion.

2372115 is a 1976, September, I think. A sunroof car. This one will need to leave this summer. 

 

Dan

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, DanVT said:

The air cleaner with sticker and the brake booster are on 2762020 manufactured June 22, 1972.

I'm restoring 2763304 manufactured Jan 22, 1973. The previous owner of the car took off the injection system and put a Weber 32/36 on the motor and the carbed brake booster. I have a correct used booster with a bent vacuum port and the booster on 2762020. 

2762020, 2574015-May 18,1971 and 2593272 (haven’t requested info yet)( has AC unit in the console and Stahl header) were snagged out of a shed some years ago. The last two are parts cars. I’m using the 1972 tii as injection system reference for the 1973 but there are other differences between the cars. 2762020 is probably a parts car too; significant corrosion.

2372115 is a 1976, September, I think. A sunroof car. This one will need to leave this summer. 

 

Dan

 

Thank you, Dan.  Looks like you have plenty of parts!

 

But....I can’t help saying it....even recognizing that you’re in Vermont, and VIN 2762020 might be a Vermont car, round taillight tii values have soared in the last 2 years, with sales of fabulous examples both approaching and exceeding $100K.  A round taillight tii that was a parts car 5 years ago, might today be someone’s next restoration project!

 

Can you tell us whether VIN 2762020, assuming it has its original engine, has: (a.) plastic or aluminum intake runners, (b.) a 121 or an E12 head, and (c.) a factory “firewall notch” above the engine’s rear timing hole?

 

We’re tracking the on-again, off-again conversion of the tii’s from 121 to E12 heads (along with the concomitant switch from plastic to aluminum intake runners).

 

Our best information to date was assembled by Paul Wegweiser and he’s found the following (based on Scott’s paraphrase of Paul’s VIN’s!).

 

USA model VIN’s:

2760001-2761944 = plastic runners with 121 head

2761945-2762014 = aluminum runners with E12 head

2762015-2762372 = plastic runners with 121 head

2762373 on = aluminum runners with E12 head

 

Based on this information, we’d project that VIN 2762020 has plastic runners and a 121 head.  And although I might guess that configuration didn’t need a firewall notch, we (or at least, I) have no idea whether the firewall notches came and went with the aluminum runners.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2018 by Conserv

[DanVT]

The June 6, 1972 #2762090 does not have a firewall notch. It doesn’t have the original motor. The motor is 2762618 (August 8, 1972). An E12 with aluminum runners. Not much clarification to the puzzle.

Regards,

Dan

[02Les]

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 10:02 AM, DanVT said:

The air cleaner with sticker and the brake booster are on 2762020 manufactured June 22, 1972.

2762020 is probably a parts car too; significant corrosion.

 

Dan

 

Wow, 2762020 probably a parts car! It was looking pretty good when it was on Ebay 4.5 years ago.

 

[Conserv]

14 hours ago, DanVT said:

The June 6, 1972 #2762090 does not have a firewall notch. It doesn’t have the original motor. The motor is 2762618 (August 8, 1972). An E12 with aluminum runners. Not much clarification to the puzzle.

Regards,

Dan

 

Actually, Dan, that does help.  It suggests that, generally, BMW may have only cared to notch the firewall on cars leaving the factory with E12 heads and aluminum intake runners; it suggests that they did not simply notch every firewall from 2761944 onward.

 

Second, your August 8th date for VIN 2762618, provides a second glimpse of 1972-model tii production stretching into August!  August was generally considered a holiday and re-tooling month, with little or no production beyond the earliest and latest days of that month.

 

U.S. 1972 model tii production started with VIN 2760001 and ended with VIN 2762629.  On Wednesday, July 26, 1972, they manufactured VIN 2762332 (they could build 50-ish cars a day, so we don’t know where 2762332 falls in that day’s production).  But it’s July 26th and there are still 300-ish more U.S. tii’s to produce before the traditional August holiday.

 

The last two 1972 tii’s in my database are, now, 2762618 (Tuesday, August 8, 1972) and 2762621 (Monday, August 14, 1972).  Just 8 more U.S. 1972 tii’s to go after 2762621!

 

The first U.S. 1973 model tii in my database (meaning, with a date confirmed by BMW Archives) is VIN 2762632 (Saturday, October 7, 1972), the third 1973 manufactured.  And, at minimum, VIN’s 2762639 through 2762681 appear to have been manufactured on Monday, October 10, 1972.

 

In summary, U.S. 1972 model tii production stretched well into August 1972, August production dates generally being quite rare.  And U.S. 1973 model tii production didn’t begin until October 1972, unless two examples, 2762630 and 2762631, were manufactured before October.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by Conserv

[Conserv]

On 2/6/2018 at 11:47 PM, 02Les said:

 

Wow, 2762020 probably a parts car! It was looking pretty good when it was on Ebay 4.5 years ago.

 

 

That’s too beautiful unless it’s a “stymee-style tii from the Northeast”, which I suppose it could be!

 

Or are we having a VIN “glitch”?  Dan used 2762020 until his last post, when he used 2762090.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Conserv

[02Les]

Would be nice to know there are not two cars with the same VIN.

I suspect Dan's tii is a typo and a slightly later VIN as the Ebay Seller of 2762020 stated the manufacture date was 14 Jun '72, delivered 21 Jun '72.

Maybe Dan will chime in soon.

[DanVT]

Oops, typo. My tii is 2762090. The build date from BMW is still 

June 22, 1972. Too many “2s with this 02 stuff.

If I can ask another question here...The trans number attached to motor 2762618 in tii 2762090 ends with a /6. My others end with a /4. Anything significant with the 6?

[Conserv]

VIN 2762090 was manufactured the same day, June 22,1972, as Paul Wegweiser’s F Bomb.  Paul’s F Bomb is also a no-notch car, albeit with the original engine and plastic runners.

 

I don’t know the answer regarding the /4 and the /6 on the transmissions.   Are these the numbers that appear on the transmissions’ rear covers?  The transmissions have a casting date for the housings that appears inside the bellhousing, right where the nose of the starter motor points.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

[Conserv]

2 minutes ago, Conserv said:

n/t

 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Conserv

[DanVT]

There is a 6-digit stamped number on the bell housing top right side below the distributor area. A /4 follows these digits on my other trans, but this one has a /6. Just curious.

 

Dan

[bublinki]

Meanwhile, the '76 owners with(or, w/o, for that matter) a sunroof are drooling at the prospect of original parts!  Should it end of that way!