Spare Tire Fitment Problem

[j2002tii]

Just bought a new wheel and tire for my spare.  The wheel is a new OEM steel wheel 5jx13 and the tire is a 165/80r13 which I recall was the original setup for the '74tii.  It is also what came out of the car and had to go in the dumpster.  Obviously, if the wheel is the same and the spare tire well is the same, it must be the tire design.  The tire is a brand new Nankang which is black, round (sort of) and holds air.  Cheap too!  The old setup fit in the well and the new one does not by approximately 1/2" so I cannot close the cover.  Does anyone have a setup that fits and is available today?  I am happy to junk the Nankang  tire which would be an appropriate use for it.  Thanks!!

[MikeD]

The original tires that came on my 74tii were the Michelin XAS 165HR13.  I am not sure 165/80R 13's are the same size.  Someone on here will know but the 80's might be a little wider then stock.

 

[HBChris]

165/80 is the original stock tire size, the next upsize was 185/70-13 with the same circumference.

[Conserv]

3 hours ago, j2002tii said:

....The old setup fit in the well and the new one does not by approximately 1/2" so I cannot close the cover.  Does anyone have a setup that fits and is available today?  I am happy to junk the Nankang  tire which would be an appropriate use for it.  Thanks!!

 

In 45 years of ‘02 ownership, I never heard of a 5” rim with a 165/80/13 tire not fitting in the spare tire well!  Any sign that the bottom of the well was replaced or repaired and said repair somehow made the tire well more shallow?  If not, that is one fat Nankang!  Other 165/80/13 tires, historically, fit in the tire well:  besides the common 165HR13 XAS (an “80 series” tire), I’ve seen 165/80 Semperits, Michelin snowtires, Pirellis, Continentals, Vredesteins, Firestones, etc. in those wells.

 

Does anyone here have experience with another brand of 165/80/13 tire that did not fit in the spare tire well?

 

(You are absolutely certain the rim is stamped “5 x 13” and the tire reads “165/80”?  The styled steel OEM rim would be part number 36111112631.)

 

Good luck,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 5, 2018 by Conserv

[MikeD]

The Coker Tire site lists 3 sets of tires.  The XAS 165HR13, Maxxis 165/80R13 and a Goodrich 165/80R13.  The Section Width of each tire is 5.80, 6.70, 6.97 respectively.  Check your Section Width of your Nankang and see it it is larger then the XAS.  This could tell you why is doesn't fit like the original XAS.  Before i found new XAS's from Coker I had a similar problem with a set of tires I had purchased.

[j2002tii]

Everything is identical in size to what came out and the spare tire well is perfect.  The only thing that I can think of is the design of the Nanking has a more bulging sidewall.  The other tires I have used must have had more square, flat, and vertical sidewalls.  The Nankang, despite having the identical specs as the others must be shaped more like a doughnut so it doesn’t fit.

[Conserv]

3 hours ago, MikeD said:

The Coker Tire site lists 3 sets of tires.  The XAS 165HR13, Maxxis 165/80R13 and a Goodrich 165/80R13.  The Section Width of each tire is 5.80, 6.70, 6.97 respectively....

 

That is a dramatic difference!  But the Longstone Tyres website shows an “Actual Width” of 6.8” for the 165HR13 XAS (or 175mm.).  Perhaps Coker has a typo, or perhaps Longstone Tyre has a typo....

 

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/michelin-classic-tyres/michelin-xas/165hr13-michelin-xas-ff.html

 

If a nominal 5” rim is close to 6” in actual width, a 5.8”-wide XAS, mounted on a rim, would be narrower than the rim’s overall width. That doesn’t seem right, so I suspect a 165HR13 XAS is closer to 6.8” than 5.8” in actual width.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2018 by Conserv

[MikeD]

Steve...I looked on the Classic Michelin tire site and they list the width as 167mm or 6.5 inches.  So we now have 3 different tire widths for the same tire

 

165 HR 13

13"

XAS

TT

82

H

167

600

1824

4.0 4.5 5.5

13 D 13

[Conserv]

52 minutes ago, MikeD said:

Steve...I looked on the Classic Michelin tire site and they list the width as 167mm or 6.5 inches.  So we now have 3 different tire widths for the same tire

 

165 HR 13

13"

XAS

TT

82

H

167

600

1824

4.0 4.5 5.5

13 D 13

 

So, Mike, I suppose we use a simple average....?

 

But as I suggested in my last post, if I lay a mounted and inflated XAS on my driveway, on either the front or back side, the tire always hits the pavement, never the rim.  This says to me that the inflated tire is wider than the approximate 6” width of a nominally 5” rim.  If I had to trust just one of these three websites, I’d probably go with the Michelin Classic site!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 6, 2018 by Conserv

[golftii]

FWIW I recently replaced my tii (5” steelie) spare tire with a new cheapo Doral brand 175/70 R13

And fits under trunk board just fine - unlike the 185 old Michelin it replaced.

[Conserv]

2 hours ago, golftii said:

FWIW I recently replaced my tii (5” steelie) spare tire with a new cheapo Doral brand 175/70 R13

And fits under trunk board just fine - unlike the 185 old Michelin it replaced.

 

I believe 175/70 is the widest tire that frequently fits.  185/70 does not generally fit.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

[j2002tii]

A friend of mine just found me an XAS in good shape.  Good enough for a spare anyway.  Hopefully that will work.  I should deepen the spare tire well by about 1/2” or this will always be a problem.  But then, it wouldn’t be original.  Maybe there is one of those new inflatable spares that would fit, out there somewhere.

[Adamha]

You could just let some air out and carry a cheap compressor if you ever need the spare.

[jimk]

1 hour ago, Adamha said:

You could just let some air out and carry a cheap compressor if you ever need the spare.

Good idea, I like it.