3 Quick Questions about '02 horns

[jgerock]

On 8/13/2018 at 1:27 AM, mike said:

Thanks for the replies, everyone.  I was pretty sure that 76s came with only one horn, but didn't realize the second horn was dropped with the 74 models. 

 

And Paul, my 12-72 production '02 came with flat horns also, so the question now becomes when did the factory switch from the seashell to the flat horns.  Was it part of the Modell 71 changes beginning with VIN 2570001, earlier, or later?  

 

And Jim, if you're referring to the Roundel article from the Dec 2002 issue about all the year-to-year changes, it's not in there, 'cause I wrote that article...

 

cheers and thanks 

 

mike

Mike- that was one of the articles. Another good one was in an older Roundel by Mr. Potheau.

 

edit:  Found the article in the April 1987 Roundel "In Memoriam 2002" by Michel Potheau, but it does not mention anything about horns, nor exterior mirrors.

Edited August 14, 2018 by jgerock

[PaulTWinterton]

33 minutes ago, mike said:

just to confuse us enthusiasts 40-some years later!

 

Thoughtless!

 

Question.  Were there any (changing) requirements for decibel ranges?  It seems one horn would be quieter than two horns, generally.  Could regulations have changed the production specs at the factory?

 

 

[Nut Dragger]

My 74 has a single seashell so I suspect it’s not stock... currently of no consequence because horn button is shit. Have MOMO steering wheel with bad horn. Haven’t looked into fix yet. Considering doing remote button air horn set up. 

[02Les]

For USA only, the parts book shows Horn Set part # 61 33 1 358 469....."ONLY FOR CITY NEW YORK"

Comprised single round horn, relay, cables and a separate switch.

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, 02Les said:

For USA only, the parts book shows Horn Set part # 61 33 1 358 469....."ONLY FOR CITY NEW YORK"

Comprised single round horn, relay, cables and a separate switch.

 

Holy sh*t, Les: I gotta get me one of them! I bought my ‘76 in Nowheresville, Pennsylvania and my horn just goes, “Moo, moo”... ?

 

So....is the NYC horn louder or softer than the “everywhere-else” horn?  I’d have to guess it’s softer as NYC likes to regulate us — so we don’t all kill each other immediately.

 

Great sleuthing!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[02Les]

37 minutes ago, Conserv said:

 

Holy sh*t, Les: I gotta get me one of them! I bought my ‘76 in Nowheresville, Pennsylvania and my horn just goes, “Moo, moo”... ?

 

So....is the NYC horn louder or softer than the “everywhere-else” horn?  I’d have to guess it’s softer as NYC likes to regulate us — so we don’t all kill each other immediately.

 

Great sleuthing!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

I wondered, as there's a separate switch, if the switch is located under the brake pedal??? Every time you brake, the horn goes off?

 

No mention in the book of the loudness (Hz).

[jgerock]

Here are the (2) horns I removed from my May 69 2002

 

[02Les]

2 hours ago, jgerock said:

Here are the (2) horns I removed from my May 69 2002

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't lose those attached brackets as they are matched to the horn frequency.

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by 02Les

[Conserv]

2 hours ago, 02Les said:

 

Don't lose those attached brackets as they are matched to the horn frequency.

 

 

Oh my! I'm confident I've unwittingly swapped a few of those over the years. Good thing my '76 only has one horn.... ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[bluehills2002]

Poking around behind the grill of my ‘74 (manufacture date: 2/74), I realize it has three horns (but it appears only the first is original), shown right to left.

[Conserv]

The second photo shows air horns, a semi-popular period aftermarket accessory. The third photo shows a car alarm siren. The fourth photo is simply a close-up of the label on the car alarm siren.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by Conserv

[bluehills2002]

Thanks Steve!  My neighbors will be happy to know that alarm has long since been disconnected.

[Jimmy]

On 8/12/2018 at 12:54 PM, Conserv said:

Good questions, Mike.

 

Here's what little I know:

 

1. 1600's sort of merged into 2002's later in the "1600 era", e.g., 1969-71.  Does that mean they acquired a second horn? I have no idea. I've seen too few of these in the U.S. to develop an opinion.

 

2. My late '76 (VIN 2742541, April 23, 1976) came with only one horn. I'm pretty confident no 1976 '02's came with two horns. But I am not certain when that second horn disappeared. It could have been as early as 1974. Maybe some of the forum's '74 original owners will weigh in....

 

3. I'm not certain the flat horn was a square taillight phenomenon. I suspect it pre-dates the square tailights: there are lots of the flat horns out there!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

My 9/75 has only one horn, on the left side. I'd need to see pictures of "flat" vs "seashell" to confirm which it has. It appears largely unmolested, I'd guess it's original. Also, no provision for the second horn exists in the harness.

[John_in_VA]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

 

My 9/75 has only one horn, on the left side. I'd need to see pictures of "flat" vs "seashell" to confirm which it has. It appears largely unmolested, I'd guess it's original. Also, no provision for the second horn exists in the harness.

 

Should be the flat style, as seen in bluehills' first photo.

Edited November 25, 2018 by John_in_VA

[John_in_VA]

Another flat horn photo:

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by John_in_VA