Production Number Question

[rstclark]

Yes I have found thru a search that there is a table with production numbers but I really can’t decider the details.   Sooo. After hearing and hearing and seeing so many numbers here is the questions : ?

 1. How many 2002 were produced world wide ?

2. How many were Tiis

3. How many 2002 s were US versions ?

4. How many Tiis were US versions ?

5. How many US version Tiis by year ?

 

Steve.  Conserv.  Here’s your Challenge

Thanks in advance to everyone for your responses

[Jimmy]

There's a spreadsheet with all of this information that gets referred to here repeatedly. Even has the VIN ranges if I recall correctly.

[rstclark]

Yeah. I know. Just can’t make sence of all that detail.  Really want a simple answer to the questions from anyone who knows

Thsnks though

[visionaut]

According to the Taylor/Macartney guide:

 

1. 401,947

2. 38, 703 not incl tii Touring, 44,486 with 'em included.

3. 99,360

4. 7,449

5. 4521 Model 71s (built Aug 71 to Aug 73, VIN 2760001 - 2764521) plus 2928 Model 73s (built Sept 73 to Dec 74, VIN 2780001 - 2782928)

 

HTH,

Tom

 

[Buckeye]

Did you find this? A bit more info, but doesn't answer all your questions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_02_Series

[Conserv]

14 minutes ago, visionaut said:

According to the Taylor/Macartney guide:

 

1. 401,947

2. 38, 703 not incl tii Touring, 44,486 with 'em included.

3. 99,360

4. 7,449

5. 4521 Model 71s (built Aug 71 to Aug 73, VIN 2760001 - 2764521) plus 2928 Model 73s (built Sept 73 to Dec 74, VIN 2780001 - 2782928)

 

HTH,

Tom

 

 

Excellent, although that total number of worldwide 2002’s seems too low if it includes 1600-2’s, 1502’s, 1802’s, etc.

 

By U.S. model year, U.S. tii’s consisted of 2,629 1972 models, 1,892 1973 models, and 2,928 1974 models.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

[Jimmy]

3 hours ago, Conserv said:

 

Excellent, although that total number of worldwide 2002’s seems too low if it includes 1600-2’s, 1502’s, 1802’s, etc.

 

By U.S. model year, U.S. tii’s consisted of 2,629 1972 models, 1,892 1973 models, and 2,928 1974 models.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

I didn't realize 1600-2s, 1502s, 1602s, 1802s, and Tourings were 2002s. ?

[visionaut]

6 hours ago, Conserv said:

Excellent, although that total number of worldwide 2002’s seems too low if it includes 1600-2’s, 1502’s, 1802’s, etc.

 

 

Correct you are Steve.  The 401947  only includes: 2002s, 2000/2002 Tourings, 2000 Touring Autos, 2000/2002 tii Tourings, 2002 Autos, 2002 Turbos, 2002 Targas, 2002 Cabriolets, 2002 tis (which incls the 12 Dianas), and 2002 tiis.

Edited December 29, 2018 by visionaut
Diana note

[02Les]

I have this pic showing 891,940 total '02s were built. However, it does not (I believe) include the 808 2002s & 1602s assembled in Uruguay, the 11,700 2002s & 1602s assembled in Portugal or the cars assembled in Belgium (I do not know the total of these).

Edit: 14,256 1600/1602 were assembled in Belgium, the number of 2002s eludes me.

Edited December 29, 2018 by 02Les

[visionaut]

Nice, Les.

 

Well if your add the "2002" numbers off your chart (per the definition Taylor/Macartney used for 2002, which I've cited) = you get 418013 of 'em.  Hmm, versus their detailed accounting of 401947.  (I'm aware there's several other errors throughout the guide, but this tabular section seems well sourced.)

 

But the Taylor/Macartney number could be correct if the totals in Les' chart DID include the "2002s" from the Uruguay, Portugal and Belgium builds, and they were missing from the Taylor/Macartney accounting.  418013 - 401947 = only 16066 cars difference - a not unreasonable 'ballpark' of the percentage of 2002s in totals of those alternate country builds.  Several other numbers between the 2 charts match.  Huh, so 418013 might be right then...

 

Cool stuff.

 

Tom

 

ps: I've attached pic of the chart from "The BMW 2002" that I used.

Edited December 29, 2018 by visionaut

[Jimmy]

Why would they have produced so many right-hand-drive cars for the USA? Or do "RHD" and "LHD" denote something different?

[visionaut]

That's a typo, Jimmy.  All USA are LHD.  The book, however good, is riddled with typos...

Edited December 29, 2018 by visionaut

[Jimmy]

Well, errors are not the same thing as typos.

 

A typo would be "KHD" or "OHD" instead of "LHD" as K and O are close to the L on a QWERTY keyboard. Typos are generally obvious and typically don't impact meaning, at least within context. For example, if the book refers to the "2974 model year," it's not too confusing as we can assume "1974" was intended but that a 2 was accidentally typed instead of a 1.

 

Errors can be harder to identify, particularly when context doesn't correct them, such as likelihood of RHD production for USA.

 

Hopefully it's riddled with typos and not careless errors, because if there are that many errors that /can/ be identified, how many more are there that haven't been?

[bluehills2002]

Wow, I am  surprised at how low are  those US Tii numbers, it’s seems like a lot must have survived.  I am also surprised they were discontinued after ‘74. Why was that?  

[02Les]

Mr. Taylor's QC is about equal to the Chinese. IE,

In his book, the first section is 2002 RHD & several VIN ranges are missing...….should read as follows

pre 71        1650001 - 1653979      3979

model 71   1654980 - 1660000      6021

                  2550001 - 2551473      1473

model 73   4200001 - 4203228      3228

 

total                                             14,701 & not 9,701