73 tii on BAT

[NYNick]

VIN 2716948 delivered in Italy now in NY. Has a replacement tii engine and is represented as a tii. There's no VIN starting with 271 in the registry, yet there's a BMW certificate representing it as a 73 tii.

Les? Steve? Bueller?

[Mike Self]

The 2716948 is indeed a left hand drive Euro spec round taillight tii--the VINs run from 2700001 to 2720114--per the factory parts book VIN listing.

 

mike

[02Les]

What Mike said.

 

The car was a sorta kinda race car and had a "late" nose panel, roll cage & black interior prior to Oldenzaal purchasing it.

I hope for the sake of the next Owner that Oldenzaal did a proper resto on it.

 

[NYNick]

Good to know. 

The depth of knowledge on this board is unbelievable.

[Conserv]

51 minutes ago, NYNick said:

Good to know. 

The sh*t revealed by Les’s old photos is unbelievable.

 

Fixed that for you, Nick.... ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[Conserv]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:41 PM, NYNick said:

VIN 2716948 delivered in Italy now in NY. Has a replacement tii engine and is represented as a tii. There's no VIN starting with 271 in the registry, yet there's a BMW certificate representing it as a 73 tii.

Les? Steve? Bueller?

 

A quick easy check, Nick, is the VIN decoder operated by BMW Club Clasicos de Colombia.

 

https://www.bmwclasicos.com/servicios.php#Como

 

It won’t give you a specific manufacturing date, but the information it provides, such as sub-model and market, is accurate. If the car in question is a 1974 model or newer, RealOEM.com can provide the manufacturing month, sub-model, market, transmission, although not the specific date of manufacture.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by Conserv

[NYNick]

17 hours ago, 02Les said:

What Mike said.

 

The car was a sorta kinda race car and had a "late" nose panel, roll cage & black interior prior to Oldenzaal purchasing it.

I hope for the sake of the next Owner that Oldenzaal did a proper resto on it.

 

Well, maybe they did or maybe they didn't, Les. Certainly there's a different tobacco interior in it with new carpeting, the engine bay looks cleaned up and the roll bar and fire extinguisher are gone. Plus, your VIN plate pic has what appears to be a newer VIN plate attached by Philips head screws where the BaT plate looks older and is attached by rivets.

 

I'm gonna let this one be. A certain Latin saying comes to mind.

[saaron]

Mine is 271 something something.  This car is about 4,700 cars after mine, and mine is from late June ‘72.

 

Scott

[Conserv]

Although Saddle and Tobacco interiors look far better with Riviera — in my opinion — round taillight Riviera ‘02’s appear to have consistently emerged from the factory with (a.) gray-and-black all-vinyl or cloth-and-vinyl interiors (Euro-spec cars) or (b.) black all-vinyl interiors (U.S.-spec cars imported by Hoffman Motors).

 

The first two photos below, from a January 1972 paint and upholstery brochure show the paint-interior concordance and the two specified interior combinations: S 70/92 (#70 gray cloth with #92 black smooth vinyl), and K 68/92 (#68 gray perforated vinyl with #92 black smooth vinyl). But most Hoffman-ordered cars arrived here, sadly, with K 88/92 (#88 black perforated vinyl with #92 black smooth vinyl).

 

Riviera Euro-spec square taillights appear to switched to all-gray interiors: the last two photos, from a September 1973 paint and upholstery brochure, show the revised paint-interior concordance and the two specified interior combinations: S 0004 (gray cloth and vinyl), and K 0008 (gray perforated and smooth vinyl).

 

The black door cards in Les’s earlier photos are very possibly the original door cards from the original gray-and-black interior.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

[02Les]

50 minutes ago, NYNick said:

Well, maybe they did or maybe they didn't, Les. Certainly there's a different tobacco interior in it with new carpeting, the engine bay looks cleaned up and the roll bar and fire extinguisher are gone. Plus, your VIN plate pic has what appears to be a newer VIN plate attached by Philips head screws where the BaT plate looks older and is attached by rivets.

 

I'm gonna let this one be. A certain Latin saying comes to mind.

It's the same VIN plate Nick.

In the btm left corner you see a white mark (bird dropping?) over the ch of Achslast. It's has the same in the current auction pics, albeit now rivetted.

 

Why does Oldenzaal always attach an orange Achtung! sticker ('74 & up) to an early car??

 

[Conserv]

2 hours ago, NYNick said:

 

...Plus, your VIN plate pic has what appears to be a newer VIN plate attached by Philips head screws where the BaT plate looks older and is attached by rivets....

 

 

I think they gave it a good cleaning and that took off some more of the black paint! They fixed the obviously-hokey attachment. But it’s still the same VIN tag, with the same “falling-bowling-pin” defect obscuring the “ch” in Achslast.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

OOPS: Les already said all this!

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Conserv

[AceAndrew]

I have inspected four cars from them.  Be sure to get a proper PPI.

Edited September 28, 2019 by AceAndrew

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, 02Les said:

 

...Why does Oldenzaal always attach an orange Achtung! sticker ('74 & up) to an early car??

 

 

 

Simple, Les: because it was in the package! ???

 

Many of the sets also have Behr A/C Freon charging labels, and people, similarly — with no thought involved — place those Behr A/C labels on cars that have no A/C.... ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[NYNick]

1 hour ago, Conserv said:

 

 

Simple, Les: because it was in the package! ???

 

Many of the sets also have Behr A/C Freon charging labels, and people, similarly — with no thought involved — place those Behr A/C labels on cars that have no A/C.... ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

I left the labels off to save weight! I swear the car is faster now, like after you wash it.

[Flunder]

In terms of quality of restoration be mindful that Seller spent $ to redo the failed Oldenzaal paint job on one entire  side of the car.  Perhaps safest to consider this a commercial grade paint and body restoration on a story car with non matching block and wrong interior - but certainly photogenic in Riviera.