1970 BMW 2002 for sale

[bjbarbieri]

Price: $6500

Location: Akron, OH

Description:

Ok guys and gals, I’ll probably regret this, but i am choosing to thin the herd.  Up for sale, my 1970 2002.   It’s a 20 footer-driver, which hasn’t seen much road time the past few years.   It’s really stiff, set up more for auto crossing, with bilstein sports, Ireland stage 1 springs, Korman sway bars (23 and 19mm) and mostly polyurethane bushings.  It’s got a 1 year old Weber 38/38.   I believe i got the car back in December 2007.  There’s no headliner, aftermarket mirrors, the bumpers were painted black when i got it, rust is starting to bubble along some of the fender lips and along some of the trim pieces, the rockers are getting pretty crusty but the frame rails are good, and the rear shock towers are solid.  The spare tire well has a couple of tiny holes.  The drivers floor has a hole about 1.5x1.5 where the gas pedal pivots attached to the floor and broke loose.  It’s got a small draw on the battery i never tried to track down, but i keep it on a tender, and the pedal box needs a rebuild because the clutch pedal occasionally comes back toward the driver further than it should. It’s just annoying. It does not affect the clutch operation though.  Speedometer needs repaired, and i believe the odometer too.  Shows 68k but true mileage unknown.   Ansa exhaust sounds like it may have some places that need welded but i think they come like that from the factory for weight savings.  Trying to think of anything else pertinent.  It’s no garage queen but runs and drives well and turns heads wherever it goes.  

6500.00

 

link to more pics below.  
 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/XnGV7mgDqpaHiox38

[Geoff Raynak]

GLWTS ...

this car only had THREE cars between it and my car!

I own 1570177 ...

 

good chance this was also built on 02 OCT 1969

 

 

regards

geoff

 

[doctor jay]

I apologize for my potential ignorance but why would you list a car as a 2002 when it clearly states on the VIN that it is a 1600. I'm new to this forum and am slowly gaining an appreciation for these classic BMW coupes, so if I'm missing something, please let me know. But I thought that the 1600 or 1600-2 has a 1.6L engine and the 2002 has a 2.0L engine, which are quite different. Maybe it's a small difference and BMW enthusiasts don't really see a difference...?

[bjbarbieri]

Yeah, it’s a bit of an anomaly with my car. Obviously the tag says 1600, but it’s titled with that vin as a 2002 and my car doesn’t have any of the 1600-specific parts that they had including the brake booster near the front of the engine bay, the smaller control arms, and different axles.  Not really sure what else to tell you.  It’s right on that cusp between the 1600 and 2002 and could have been something weird with the engine tag.  

[doctor jay]

very interesting...!

[Conserv]

Cars are mis-titled all the time: sometimes by design, sometimes by accident.

 

But the chassis VIN tells one unambiguously what the car was when it left the factory. And all 15xxxxx cars were, indeed, 1600-2’s (later referred to as 1602’s — no difference but the name).

 

If you email the VIN to BMW Group Archives (info.grouparchiv@bmwgroup.com) and request their data, they will provide the manufacturing date, the date when legal ownership transferred from BMW AG to Hoffman Motors Corp (the sole U.S. importer, a New York-domiciled corporation), the sub-model (e.g., 1600-2), often the transmission (manual or automatic), the market (U.S. or Euro), the exterior color, and the paint code. There is no charge. 
 

In the meantime, the VIN decoder offered by the BMW 2002 Car Club of Columbia provides accurate, but less-specific data, as shown below.

 

BMW’s records are maintained on a simple calendar-year basis, not on the basis of model years. Since the model years generally run from approximately September 1 to August 31, a car such as this car, probably manufactured in October or November 1969, is an early 1970 model.

All this information is readily available, and free. Sellers and buyers, alike, should take advantage of all this free data!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2020 by Conserv

[bjbarbieri]

Yeah, i mean, i don’t know what to say.  The title says 2002, the rear badge says 2002, it has the larger control arms, the brake booster is at the firewall instead of the nose, and it has a 2 barrel manifold and had a 32/36 when i bought it, not a solex, and didn’t have the NK fluid-filled axles and longneck diff.   I’ve never had the head off it to measure the pistons. I’ve had the car since 08 so there’s 38 years of unknown ownership for me.   It’s still a lovely car and will put a huge smile on your face.  

[Robert Kyle]

what does the inner fender (pass side) stamp say?

[Masterbuilder46]

Trade me for a restored '87 Toyota 22' RV?  ill drive out in the spring! 

 

Best of luck 

[bjbarbieri]

5 hours ago, Robert Kyle said:

what does the inner fender (pass side) stamp say?

 

[Robert Kyle]

 

Looks like a title error at the DOL.

 

Heck, the lady at the DOL asked what car I had.  Was it a Austin?  A Leyland?  A Rover?  When I had my Mini.

 

I said Austin, even though technically it was a Leyland.  So that's what she put on the title.

 

[bjbarbieri]

? Yeah i don’t know.  I suppose if someone would like to buy it and put a 1600 badge back on the back and an old longneck diff, small control arms, a different driveshaft, and the old brake booster up near the grills and have the dmv change the title to say 1600 you could.  OR you could just buy it and enjoy it as is.   
 

 

Edited January 28, 2020 by bjbarbieri

[02Les]

Ok, I'll bite.

What's the motor number??

[FunElan]

This is a cool car. I've seen it in person. I also know BJ, who happens to be a great guy and knows his old BMWs. This is a smokin' deal. Whatever the VIN says, this is a car that someone can buy and enjoy as a fun driver. 

[wegweiser]

+1 for BJ being one of my favorite BMW people! Lots of 1600s got 2.0 liter engines installed by their owners over the decades. I'd consider that a good thing, overall... the later engine blocks are a bit stronger, and if the car has a hydraulic clutch - even BETTER!