1973 BMW 2002tii with numbers matching engine, AC and 5-spee

[johnpeter]

Price: $13600

Location: United States

Description:

1973 BMW 2002tii with numbers matching engine, AC and 5-spee On Ebay

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-BMW-2002tii/293499642399?

 

[Conserv]

Nice complete package. Should do well. Deserves to do well. CA car originally. Color changed from Sahara with Saddle interior to Verona with Black interior, but generally well done — wheel wells should be Verona and trunk paint looks oddly blotchy. Evenly-applied (Sahara) paint underneath suggests the car may have had a comprehensive repaint in Sahara before color change to Verona.

 

VIN 2762963 was likely manufactured on or about November 2, 1972 (based on VIN 2762936 having been manufactured on November 2, 1972).

And, please, please, remove the orange “original parts” sticker. Just because it came with your sticker package doesn’t mean you should use it — the “original parts” stickers were a square taillight feature!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Conserv

[adawil2002]

Looks exactly like Vern, my '73 Tii, except my interior is tobacco.

 

 

[2double02]

This is my car. I’m sorry about the orange parts sticker!  Probably applied by an overzealous restorer many years ago. Here is the summary from the archives. 

 

The BMW 2002 tii US VIN 2762963 was manufactured on November 6th, 1972 and delivered on November 8th, 1972 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Sahara, paint code 006.

 

PM with any questions. 

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

 

 

[fastricky]

56 minutes ago, adawil2002 said:

Looks exactly like Vern, my '73 Tii, except my interior is tobacco.

 

 

 

Is Verona + Tobacco a stock combo?

[adawil2002]

29 minutes ago, fastricky said:

 

Is Verona + Tobacco a stock combo?

 

In Europe, yes.

Don't know if this was a serviceman's car originally & imported or if the interior was swapped from a previous owner before the guy I purchased the car from in Telluride.

[02Les]

1 hour ago, 2double02 said:

This is my car. I’m sorry about the orange parts sticker!  Probably applied by an overzealous restorer many years ago. Here is the summary from the archives. 

 

The BMW 2002 tii US VIN 2762963 was manufactured on November 6th, 1972 and delivered on November 8th, 1972 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Sahara, paint code 006.

 

PM with any questions. 

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

 

 

 

That was a quick Ownership. It was for sale in CA 4 months ago.

[fastricky]

7 hours ago, adawil2002 said:

 

In Europe, yes.

Don't know if this was a serviceman's car originally & imported or if the interior was swapped from a previous owner before the guy I purchased the car from in Telluride.

 

What a cool and rare color combo! Might be my new favorite ?

[02Les]

12 hours ago, adawil2002 said:

 

In Europe, yes.

 

Are you sure Verona with Tobacco interior was stock in Europe? Can't remember ever seeing that combo in Europe.

I guess in Europe we could order the interior colour we wanted, but don't think it was stock, as in "suggested in the brochures". Of course, I could be wrong?

[Conserv]

15 hours ago, 02Les said:

 

Are you sure Verona with Tobacco interior was stock in Europe? Can't remember ever seeing that combo in Europe.

I guess in Europe we could order the interior colour we wanted, but don't think it was stock, as in "suggested in the brochures". Of course, I could be wrong?

Black was globally the default interior color with Verona, based on the paint and upholstery brochures. But, yes, (a.) cars not imported by Hoffman Motors, and (b.) the factory’s European Delivery program cars imported by Hoffman offered special order exterior-interior color combos. Examples of both are rare. As Andrew noted, however, seat swapping occurred as early as original delivery, facilitated by dealerships wanting to satisfy customer preferences, even if Hoffman Motors didn’t!

 

Some light might be shed on the mystery by the dates on the seat tags. If you ever feel like taking the rear covers off the backrests of the front seats (6 nickel-plated Philips-head screws each, I believe), there should be a date-stamped card on the springs.

 

Below, the June 20, 1972 seat (“20. 6. 72”) originally installed in VIN 2762204 (manufactured July 10, 1972).

Unlike the round tailllight cars, I’m pretty confident some of the later square taillight Verona cars — I’m guessing 1975-76 and imported by BMW NA — arrived in the U.S. with Beige interiors, although Black remained officially the factory default color.

 

I believe we can largely agree that BMW’s factory color combo’s didn’t always put the car’s best foot forward! For example, Baikal metallic and Saddle puts Biaikal and Black to shame, but it’s not factory! ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Conserv

[adawil2002]

The original Tobacco door card backs were stamped in January of 1973, Vern was built in mid-March 1973.

 

I also have a 1/43 scale model that is Verona/Tobacco. So the combination was available in Europe. 

Well, enough about Vern, we should really return to the ebay sale car. 

 

Edited March 6, 2020 by adawil2002

[Conserv]

On 3/6/2020 at 2:44 AM, adawil2002 said:

The original Tobacco door card backs were stamped in January of 1973, Vern was built in mid-March 1973.

 

I also have a 1/43 scale model that is Verona/Tobacco. So the combination was available in Europe. 

Well, enough about Vern, we should really return to the ebay sale car. 

 

Dual flag mirrors on the model suggest it was designed and built 1975 or later — possibly considerably later — and the interior color is closer to the square taillight Beige, in line with the appearance, in 1975-76, of Verona with both Black and Beige interiors. Just saying...

 

The dates on the door cards, although not conclusive, are much stronger evidence — and I mean much stronger — than the model. In my opinion!

 

Meanwhile.... Subject car is up to $30K, with 7 days to go! See how I neatly transitioned back to the real topic...

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Conserv

[2double02]

I picked a really bad week to list the car. On a positive note, our daughter’s school is closed so we had driver’s ed in the tii today. It was a lot of fun. Would still like to sell it though. Maybe this summer. Stay safe everyone. 

[ray_]

The car is upside down.

 

or the center grille is.

 

[2double02]

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by 2double02