When did Hardy & Beck start making their 3-piece wheels?

[CoastalCrush]

@mccusername I’m glad you got a set! It’ll fit the bill on that beautiful car you have ??

[mccusername]

Thanks @CoastalCrush! I need to have them re-sized. Any source for 16 hole barrels?

[ray_]

1 hour ago, mccusername said:

 

I don't think so. The barrels were BBS, and the 'announcement' article on the wheels from 1979 says H&B worked with Drake Engineering on them.

That's interesting.

 

I'll check my source later...

 

Cheers,

[markmac]

2 hours ago, CoastalCrush said:

02 Hardy&beck centers were always 16 spokes. The ones with 20 spokes that you are showing are 5 lug centers for an e24. 16 spokes = 2002     20 spokes= e30 and 5 lug cars

 

IDK, but all I can say from this interwebs image this appears to me to be a 4x100 bolt pattern with 20 spokes - spokes look just like your 16 spoke center and nothing like your E30 center......there isn't any reason I can think of that this wouldn't have been used on an o2 with proper sized barrels.

[CoastalCrush]

5 hours ago, markmac said:

IDK, but all I can say from this interwebs image this appears to me to be a 4x100 bolt pattern with 20 spokes - spokes look just like your 16 spoke center and nothing like your E30 center......there isn't any reason I can think of that this wouldn't have been used on an o2 with proper sized barrels.

Hmm you’re right. I wonder why the strayed away from them. Maybe too close to alpinas wheels or something? 
 

 I don’t think I’ve seen a 20 spoke 4x100 set in person 

 

Edited April 16, 2021 by CoastalCrush

[akfjord]

8 hours ago, mccusername said:

Thanks @CoastalCrush! I need to have them re-sized. Any source for 16 hole barrels?

Try emailing BBS Motorsports. When I contacted them a bit  ago about 16-hole E30 barrels they still sold them. And maybe.... the H&B 16 hole barrels are the same as the BBS Motorsport E30 barrels: http://bbs-racing-wheels.com/seiten/framee.htm

 

Happy to take measurements on my barrels if that helps make the link.

[jp5Touring]

9 hours ago, mccusername said:

Thanks @CoastalCrush! I need to have them re-sized. Any source for 16 hole barrels?

 

Love20bee.com   They will make them if need be, bee

[CoastalCrush]

[mccusername]

@CoastalCrush Those turned out great. I read somewhere that H&B basically rebranded Stahl headers. Do yours basically look like Stahls?

[2002iii]

9 minutes ago, mccusername said:

@CoastalCrush Those turned out great. I read somewhere that H&B basically rebranded Stahl headers. Do yours basically look like Stahls?

I believe H&B had Stahl make them and put the H&B logo on them.

 

The one I have has the Stahl part #s stamped on the flange and the later H&B logo with full address and phone # on it.

[pminasi]

I know this is an old thread, but wanted to share something. I live in Berkeley and H&B was my shop for about a decade. Sadly, Allen sold the business and while the new shop still services BMWs, it’s basically just another repair shop and they don’t know the classics. George, the master mechanic, also retired. I am glad I got my cylinder head rebuilt by him and his special touch. Allen could talk about anything for hours, including stories of trips through Germany in an M1 - they federalized a few. The wheels that were for sale on eBay was the new owner clearing out the old stock. Hopefully I run into him and George one day, and hopefully someone still has all the records of the cars they made - they had a file on each apparently. 

Edited September 22, 2021 by pminasi

[andyleonard]

We put a set of 3 piece wheels on a customer's 320 in late 78. We regularly bought Alpina stuff from H&B and I'm certain if they were selling wheels at that time we would have bought from them. The BBS/P7 setup we used came from someone in San Francisco.

[mccusername]

Attached is an article from the June '79 Roundel announcing that H&B was no longer a rep for Alpina, and that they would be making their own 3 piece wheels in '79.

[markmac]

I started my first year at UC Berkeley in 1979.  At the time I had a '69 2002 that was originally owned by Alan Hardy.  Funny, I remember going down there (4th Street) to get odds and ends - but mainly to oogle over the parts...Scheel seats, Alpina wheels, H&B Wheels, and on and on and on.  They had quite the display cases in the parts shop.  They had a couple of e21 323i's they put together that had every part they offered, P7 tires, full Scheel interiors etc.,  One of the mechanics there told me those cars were north of $45,000.  Lots of cool stuff down there for sure.

[steve k.]

Two of the last 8 wheels for a 2002

 

 

On the wall at H&B