New calipers, pads and hardware issue

[esty]

Steve was installing the new pads in the new calipers this morning and hit a snag...the pins that hold the pads in the caliper appear to be too short...see the pictures...the bushings, farrells or whatever you cal them, at the ends of the pins will not go in holes in caliper

 

the pins do fit tight or stay in place with the farrell removed...did we get the wrong pins with the calipers...maybe?

 

 

[beammmer]

Aren't the ferrels supposed to be driven into the holes on the caliper thus holding the pins in place?  IIRC the ferrels are a pretty tight fit in the caliper holes, though it's been awhile since i've done brake work.

 

Don

[esty]

he tried hammering the farrels in but could not...i'll tell him to keep trying

 

[beammmer]

Not sure, try flipping them???

 

Don

 

[esty]

they are beveled the same on each end, taking them off distorts them...we removed one but don't want to mess up all 4 of them

 

[conkitchen]

who was it that said for $50 go buy new one's?  

 

I have had the same issue in the past. The rank and file parts suppliers just grab "kits" for things and they often are generic shit.  

One reason I always hold onto the little things like clips and pins from old calipers.  

 

I may have a a set of used old hardware you can have if you are in a lurch.  

 

edit: It does look like your pins are the right length. Perhaps squeeze the farrel with a channel lock to make for an easier insertion.  

 

but what do I know. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by conkitchen

[Tommy]

1 hour ago, esty said:

he tried hammering the farrels in but could not...i'll tell him to keep trying

 

Yea, you should be able to tap them in... but of course if they are wrong size then maybe not. Length looks ok once they are in all the way.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Tommy

[jp5Touring]

If there just a bit to  big try sticking them in a drill spin them and hit them with 1000 grit sandpaper.

Careful of the bushing end when tightening.   I've done this with older pins with good results.

 

[esty]

30 minutes ago, conkitchen said:

I may have a a set of used old hardware you can have if you are in a lurch.  

 

 

Marc...i relayed the above info to the installer, let him struggle a bit and if after all is done i'll let you know if we need yours

[Mike Self]

Those ferrules are often a tight fit into their appropriate holes in the calipers.  I generally use a drift and hammer to drive 'em home.  You might also apply the tiniest bit of silicone grease to the ferrules to help 'em slide in a bit easier.  But they will fit.  

 

Remember the old mechanic's phrase..."doesn't fit?  Use a bigger hammer."

 

mike

[John76]

2 minutes ago, Mike Self said:

apply the tiniest bit of silicone grease

I think I would use the high-temp brake grease instead....just to be on the safe side!

['76mintgrün'02]

The edge of the hole they're going into might be sharp and catching on the compression sleeve.  You could add a little chamfer to the top of the hole to help them get started.  A drill bit that is slightly larger than the hole might do the trick.  Or a  countersink.

 

You might also try pinching them closed with needle nosed pliers as you tap them in.

[esty]

ok guys, i just got a frantic call from steve, the mechanic...he tried the bigger hammer, lube, etc, he tried squeezing 2 of them while tapping and broke a pair of the farrells...he said the metal was very brittle...so now none of the above matters much, we need new pins....YO... MARC

[conkitchen]

39 minutes ago, Mike Self said:

 Remember the old mechanic's phrase..."doesn't fit?  Use a bigger hammer."

Thought that got updated in the 90's to if it don't fit, must acquit. 

[conkitchen]

Hey Esty, 

 

I'll dig them up tomorrow and ship them out.