Weird (dodgy) 1974 tii for auction.

[02Les]

Stated as having been backdated with round lights, but really has nothing on it to show it was a 1974 other than the VIN stamped on the inner fender and the late gauges.

The inner fender is the style not used after 1969 and that is alarming.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255528513572?hash=item3b7eafb024:g:eh0AAOSwTYRieRfV

[jgerock]

Ad includes a Porsche interior photo by mistake.  No cowl notch on firewall.

[CoastalCrush]

other giveaways that it’s not a 74’ . No notch for the tii air intake on the fire wall cowling,  no wood grain dash. Like you said the wrong inner fenders. Wrong seats, wrong side view mirror. The painted stamped vin is probably hiding bondo and the welds from when they swapped vins. it’s definitely an early car with the vins and drivetrain swapped onto it. Seller has a 94.1 rating on eBay. ??

[Son of Marty]

About all that's in that car from a 74 is the  engine and the dash, it's missing the cut out to mount the under hood fuel filter and no 5mph reinforcement in the trunk and the low mounted backbreaker seatbelts and bunch more.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Son of Marty

[bergie33]

Couple more things I noticed:

 - throttle return spring attached to upper cowl

 - jack mount on a '74 should be left of the spare tire, next to the fender

 - front seat belts attached below rear quarter window

 - if new sheet metal was welded in the trunk floor, why does it look older and match the rest of the trunk's mis-matched paint?

 

Seems more likely it was a complete swap into an early body, with some clever welding of the VIN and snorkel removal.

[TobyB]

Huh.

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The chassis was striped to bear metal

As we all know out here in the woods, striped bear metal's hard to acquire without

a serious tussle.  Those striped bears are pretty possessive.

 

That sniped, I couldn't build that car for $40k today if I didn't pay myself.

So if it passes a careful PPI, then maybe it's not a bad deal for someone who

isn't delusional about the 2002.

 

I do suggest the car's been front- clipped at the firewall based on the below 

pic, and if anyone's planning on plunking down more than the car's worth 

in parts (maybe what, $30k in post- Covid internet moneys)

then it's really time for a PPI with a specialist body shop.

Because that inner fender transfers the entire weight and structure of the 

car into the suspension, AND provides all passenger protection.  If it's weak,

the car can fold.  The welds look fine- if the work was done well, it's probably better-

protected than it was new.

 

If I was buying from an individual, I'd spend an evening looking at all

their resto photos, crawling under and over, lifting carpet, and using the

paint magnet.  Because it looks a bit like a car I might build out of the 

best of what I came across.  It's not a coherent 1974, I agree-

add gas tank fill details to the list above.  1 piece dash, late gauges, 12 fuses...

 

Who knows?

 

It could also be a Select Classic.

 

hee

 

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caveat emptor

[MikeD]

He could have at least put the correct 1974 BMW alloy wheels on it

 

[resra]

I looked at that one picture with 160mph speedometer and I went....woooooohaaaaa!

[esty]

it has my carpet in it

 

[calw]

But other than those few picky details, ....

 

It does have cocoa mats!

 

Bet it would be interesting to see a wider view of the VIN stamping area.

[jimk]

Roundies go for more $$ than squaries, dontcha know.

[Son of Marty]

The old style inner fender was dropped as a replacement decades ago and all that is/was offered is the new style, as the vin is stamped into this part it's not possible for a 74 to have both the early style fenders and a factory stamped 74 tii vin on it.

  If the car structure is sound it might make a okay tii tribute car but nothing more.

[ray_]

48 minutes ago, esty said:

it has my carpet in it

 

You should ask for it back.

 

?

[Conserv]

13 hours ago, TobyB said:

 

… So if it passes a careful PPI, then maybe it's not a bad deal for someone who

isn't delusional about the 2002.

 

I do suggest the car's been front- clipped at the firewall based on the below 

pic, and if anyone's planning on plunking down more than the car's worth 

in parts (maybe what, $30k in post- Covid internet moneys)

then it's really time for a PPI with a specialist body shop.

Because that inner fender transfers the entire weight and structure of the 

car into the suspension, AND provides all passenger protection.  If it's weak,

the car can fold.  The welds look fine- if the work was done well, it's probably better-

protected than it was new.

 

I screen-printed this same photo, Toby, as proof of… something — that “not-factory” welding of firewall to cowl. But, seeing the trunk, there’s just nothing 1974 here, unless it was a Euro car, which the VIN emphatically says it was not. It’s missing all the U.S. square taillight’s body reinforcements, including the double-walled (“laminated”) rear quarter panels.   I’m with @02Les and @Son of Marty, it’s an early 1967-69 chassis with some ‘74 tii… accoutrements.

 

Below, trunk of subject vehicle followed by trunk of bona fide, one-owner, never-been-body-swapped square taillight. Which would you rather be in when that 18-wheeler rear-ends you at 60 mph? 
 

Don’t answer that!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[Son of Marty]

1 hour ago, Conserv said:

Which would you rather be in when that 18-wheeler rear-ends you at 60 mph?