Need help with safety belts. 1969 1600.

[Guest]

My fronts are lap belts and there are none in the back. I need back belts so my kids can ride in the car. Anybody have some pics so I can see what they are supposed to be. I bought a set for a 1974 2002. The don't look like they are going to fit. Here are my belts and the ones I bought. I also notice it looks like a part for a shoulder strap for the front. Is this what it is for? Thanks, Scott. I also notice a pin in the front seat belt retrctor. I do not have a spot for this pin.

[eastsidebimmer]

the seat cushion does not have the appropriate "cutouts" -- you can use later style belts in the front, mount the "b" pillar above the ashtray on the rear door panel as pictured. Are you sure the old lap belts are not hiding under the rear seat? --they can disappear down there. If you find them and if your kids are still in carseats, go to babies R us or similar and get something called a mighty-tite -- this will allow you to ratchet the carseat down securely.

I have a set of front and rear lap belts from a 1970 that are in supurb condition (center loop style) I'd consider selling them.

[Maximillian]

My dear Sir,

Hate to tell you, but your 02 will not take the later belts without a lot of modification: locating pin holes not in rockers, no captured nut in the B pillar or C pillar for shoulder loop for proper 3 point automatic belts front and rear.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

HTH,

Max

Maximillian

800-950-2002

[JohnN]

for the pin on the front reels. It helps to keep them aligned vertically so that when you pull out on the belt it doesn't bind. Mine are working fine without the pins. If you want to keep the pins, it's just a hole into the inner rocker. No big deal to add.

You will have to have a nut welded into the "B" pillar. 7/16x20 IIRC, you might be able to find a weld-in insert with a little clever google searching. This isn't a really big deal, do you know anyone with a MIG welder

I'd certainly try those retractable belts in the rear before you give up

Cheers!

John N

[Guest]

I don't mind the lap belt. Just wondering if this is how she was built. My kids are 10 and 11 years old. I need something to keep them in place.

[Maximillian]

I would STRONGLY suggest that you put the locating pin holes in. The belts may appear to work properly without the pin while the car is parked (static condition). However the pins keep the retractor mechanism working properly under dynamic conditions. Under the force of a load (ie: hard braking and/or crash) the retractor could tilt when your body weight pulls on it and hence not lock the belt and make it useless for the safety purpose intended. Why play with your life !

Good luck,

HTH,

Max

[Guest]

OK. No belts hiding under the seat. Also what is that bracket for in the 3rd pic?

[Guest]

I have a 1969 2002 and I have the same seatbelt mounts that you do.

It looks like someone removed the original KLIPPON "Spaghetti Strap" seatbelts and retrofitted lapbelts only in the front.

The original seatbelt layout had a central wire clipon strap bolted to the tunnel and a shoulder/lap belt combination bolted to the floor and back window. The seatbelts were friction adjusted so once you're clipped in you can't lean forward.

The connector in your picture #3 is the original shoulder strap connection point.

The rear seatbelts had a small wire ring on one side and a lapbelt on the other, friction adjusted also.

[Guest]

Those are origanal? I love the way they look. I have to find a set for the car. Thanks for the info.

[eastsidebimmer]

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[Guest]

How much? I might head off the the junk yards tomarrow and see what I can find.

[Mike Self]

an e-mail. I did this 20+ years ago on my early second series '69 and they work just fine, albeit they don't like to retract all the way due to the upper shoulder harness mounting being under the rear quarter window. But they lock up perfectly in a panic stop,and that's what you want.

As for rear belts, any lap belt setups (pre inertia reel) will work--that is something from an '02 built prior to mid-72, when they started installing inertia reels in front.

cheers

mike